Is there anything cuter than a squishy little baby wrapped up and surrounded by soft accessories? Their cute faces make photographing babies such a joy, even though their wiggly limbs and curious parents can make those newborn photography sessions hard work!

Today, Megan Macdonald shares just how much she loves photographing babies, shopping for the perfect props, and spending time with her own (not so little anymore) baby girl. She explains how becoming a mother herself influenced her career trajectory from fine artist to wedding photographer to newborn and maternity photographer.

In this episode, Megan tells us how she keeps her work feeling fresh and exciting through the way she manages her sessions and through teaching others, how she examines her work to continue improving her skills, and why, even with its challenges, newborn photography is so fun and exciting for her. And if you just can’t get enough from Megan, she’ll be teaching at our 2023 Online Newborn Retreat as well, so be sure to look for her there!

What’s in this episode:

• [02:38] How motherhood influenced Megan’s journey into photography, from being an artist to photographing weddings and now babies
• [05:14] Why Megan examines her art critically to improve her craft
• [07:44] How Megan keeps her sessions fresh through the way she plans her workflows and manages parent’s input
• [10:18] Megan’s inspiration and her artistic journey to the photography style she has today
• [13:05] How the pandemic changed Megan’s priorities around her business and home life and led her to be more flexible with her business

If you love photographing babies, this conversation with Megan Macdonald will inspire you to try something new and get that perfect baby photo!

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Meet Megan

Megan is a newborn photographer from Adelaide Australia. She has been photographing newborns for around 7 years. Before she switched to newborns, she was a wedding photographer who also teaches newborn photography, editing and retouching. 

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Want to hear from another baby photographer? Check out this episode from Kelly Goggin

Transcript

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[00:00:00] Speaker 1 Creative freedom. Bay girl. Lots of hair. Chubby cheeks. Kissy little lips. 8 pounds, 50 centimeters. Good sleeper. Dream session. 

[00:00:14] Lisa DiGeso Welcome to the Art and Soul Show, where we dive into heart opening chats on photography, business, life and that messy in-between. I’m your host, Lisa DiGeso, a mom, a photographer and entrepreneur. And I’ll be sharing honest conversations and advice for photographers with insight on mindset, entrepreneurship and creativity. The goal of this podcast is for you to be able to gain insights and strategies that will get you real results. Because, let’s face it, having a photography business can be lonely, but it doesn’t have to be. This is the place you can go when you need a boost of encouragement, a kick in the pants and inspiration to pick up your camera. This is the Art and Soul Show. 

[00:00:57] Lisa DiGeso Hello, my beautiful friends. Welcome back to the show today. I’m super excited to dive in to today’s conversation with Megan Macdonald. She is a newborn photographer from Adelaide, Australia. She’s been photographing newborns for around seven years. Before she switched newborns, she was a wedding photographer. She also teaches newborn photography, editing and retouching and I adore getting to chat with her. So without further ado, here’s Megan. Welcome. Hi. So tell us who you are and what you’re passionate about. 

[00:01:26] Megan Macdonald Oh, gosh. So I’m Megan Macdonald. I’m in Adelaide, Australia, and I photograph babies pretty much. That’s all I do really. The newborns and see there’s a bit of maternity. I love doing post newborns. I like them to be absolutely perfect. I like every finger in place. I don’t like them to have a flaw. I want them to be remembered exactly how Mum and Dad know they are. They know they’re perfect, so I want them to look perfect. 

[00:01:51] Lisa DiGeso I love that. Now you’re like. Like me. I’m a post photographer and those, like, little hands out of place, just like. Or even like my angle’s off or like a smoosh the cheek. You’re just like, oh, my gosh. Like, you drive yourself bonkers, right? 

[00:02:04] Megan Macdonald Yes, you do. And then you get back in Photoshop. You’re like, I knew I should have fixed it. Sometimes you have to let it go, right? Sometimes you can’t. Sometimes you’ve just got to. 

[00:02:12] Lisa DiGeso Yeah. 

[00:02:12] Megan Macdonald Do with it and move on. 

[00:02:14] Lisa DiGeso Right. You get those sessions where it’s like you literally have two shots. Yeah. And you’re lucky if one of them is in focus in the baby’s like broken position and you’re like, well, that was all I get today. Right? 

[00:02:25] Megan Macdonald Yep. If I move that finger a centimeter, I’m going to be in big trouble. And that’s all we’re getting for the rest of the day. 

[00:02:32] Lisa DiGeso Exactly. Now, can you share with us your journey to becoming a photographer? Because I know you started in wedding. 

[00:02:38] Megan Macdonald Yes. Before that, I was doing some studying for more like the arty kind of version. Black and white had my own little black and white lab in my laundry. So I used to do sort of like arty farty, black and white kind of thing, just for me. And then my daughter came along, so I didn’t really want the chemicals in the house. I was already sort of shooting weddings a little bit through that, not heaps sort of, you know, 10 to 15 years, but not not a lot because I did have a full time job at the time. And then my daughter came along, obviously didn’t want the chemicals in the house, picked up the weddings a little bit more. And then as your kids get older, you want to be your home on the weekend. So I just had a switch. I had a one of my wedding clients actually come and asked me to do a maternity sessions. Also going to research you guys to make sure you get the poses right because maternity and posed wedding couples isn’t a great deal different really. It’s just you’re holding a bump. So it wasn’t, you know, a hard transition to that. But while doing that, I sort of saw all the really cute little baby photos and I thought, oh, should I ask, should I try? So I tried. And like typical wedding photographer, I thought it was going to be a breeze because, you know, Jack of all trades and you’re a wedding photographer. 

[00:03:52] Lisa DiGeso Of course. Right. 

[00:03:54] Megan Macdonald And I just fell in love with the challenge of it, I think. Yeah, the challenge of getting it perfect. 

[00:03:59] Lisa DiGeso Yeah. 

[00:03:59] Megan Macdonald So again, it all became from there. And ever since then, I’ve been a baby photographer. 

[00:04:04] Lisa DiGeso I love that. Yeah. Sorry. How old’s your daughter now? 

[00:04:07] Megan Macdonald 13. Now she’s just turned 13.

[00:04:09] Lisa DiGeso Yeah, my son. 13. Yeah. 

[00:04:10] Megan Macdonald First year, high school this year. 

[00:04:12] Lisa DiGeso Same mom. 

[00:04:14] Megan Macdonald It’s hard, you know, she’s gotten easier. Oh. 

[00:04:18] Lisa DiGeso Oh, I love it. My docile sweet boy that would tell me he loves me so much Every day is now like. 

[00:04:23] Lisa DiGeso Hey, bro. 

[00:04:24] Megan Macdonald You you’re so cringe. 

[00:04:30] Lisa DiGeso Oh. I Am cringe. 

[00:04:31] Lisa DiGeso Yeah Oh. 

[00:04:34] Megan Macdonald Yeah. She’s me. She’s actually she’s beautiful. She’s really good. She has she’s she loved being a kid. Yeah. So she’s, she’s two quite happy, too, to not have to grow up too quick. So. Yeah, me too. 

[00:04:46] Lisa DiGeso Does she ever come to see you in studio with extra hands or anything? 

[00:04:50] Megan Macdonald She actually took my headshot for me. 

[00:04:53] Lisa DiGeso I love that. 

[00:04:54] Megan Macdonald Yeah. Her first photo, so. But she will. She’s not quite responsible enough. Yeah. When she was ten, I paid to organize all my bonnets for me. I think she did one box and that was the it never saw her again. So I’ve learned my lesson. No paying her until she’s a bit older. 

[00:05:14] Lisa DiGeso I love that. So what do you feel really has made the biggest difference in improving your art and your work? 

[00:05:20] Megan Macdonald I think being critical of myself but not being hard on myself, like trying to learn from my mistakes. So when I was first starting out, I’d look at a lot like if I was doing a pose and I’m like oh, you know, it’s not quite right. I’d look at a lot of other photographers doing that pose, and then when I saw it was right, I’d sort of critique it. Now, why does this one work? Why does mine not work? And sometimes it would just be simply the angle. I’m like, Well, obviously they’re over a little bit more. So then the next time I’d shoot that, I’d shoot over a little bit more, and I’d try and maybe just concentrate on one thing at a time rather than changing everything at once. Because once you change everything at once, you never know what was the magic thing that worked? Because you’ve changed five things. So I think, yeah, just being critical and examining why this works, why that doesn’t. 

[00:06:09] Lisa DiGeso I love that. I think I’m the same way. It’s like you have to be a scientist really to to like assess and diagnose why it worked in one image and why didn’t it in another, especially with lighting and with your posing and you like sometimes I remember I when I first got my camera, I took a photo of Van, my son, and the lighting was perfect. He was posed beautifully. It was later, the first day I got my camera. I fluked out so hard, like, and then trying to figure out how do I replicate this result again? Right. 

[00:06:37] Megan Macdonald Yeah, I think definitely understanding why. 

[00:06:39] Lisa DiGeso Yeah. 

[00:06:42] Megan Macdonald Because I mean, we all fall into that trap, which just sticking out a lot in the same place over and over and over again. And I think that’s one of the good things about teaching is you have to think about it. And even now, I still learn when I when I teach because I didn’t teach through COVID, and I’ve quite missed that. So I definitely grow as a photographer when I teach because I’ve got to think more. 

[00:07:01] Lisa DiGeso Exactly. It’s like, well, teachers are isn’t that the thing they’re learning while they’re teaching. Yeah. Like that’s the thing, right. We’re all still always learning. And I think that’s like the thing I love teaching too, because I get so much out of it. 

[00:07:12] Megan Macdonald Yeah. 

[00:07:13] Lisa DiGeso So I think for so many newborn photographers, we struggle with boredom with the same poses, the same props, etc. How do you keep your sessions feeling fresh for yourself? And how do you like just embrace that? Like, do you have a workflow that creates ease or like, how do you get around this? 

[00:07:28] Megan Macdonald I definitely have workflows that I stick to, but in that workflow I have different options. So if family come in and they’ve got siblings I will start wrapped and the baby will always be wrapped to start with because you got to concentrate on their siblings. 

[00:07:44] Megan Macdonald Because. 

[00:07:44] Megan Macdonald Mum and dad can kind of give up with you know, if the baby’s wrapped and not looking you know 100% is like slop because you know, parents like to not stay in the one spot where you tell them to. But the siblings have got to look good, so we always wrap them first, but then I’ll probably go. I usually do about maybe four or five different wrap poses of baby alone after that, but I’ve got maybe nine or ten options for that. So you can mix it up. You don’t have to do the same same wrap poses every time. You got options. Color as well, I think helps using different, different colors. I generally ask my parents, I don’t like to give them a lot of choice, obviously, I take requests. But I think it’s it’s especially when you don’t know what you’re going to get every session with the baby. I would say all I will really ask them is, are there any colors you would like me to use or avoid? So they might say, I really love pink, but I hate yellow. So all I need to really do is give them pink. And then I’m not sort of stuck having to try and get heaps of pink naked or heaps of pink wrapped. I can do both and that’s that way, you know, you’ve got room to move. And I think that helps with the boredom having room to move. Whereas if I said to parents, All right, what five poses what six poses? What seven poses do you want? And they all pick the same thing. Well, then you kind of get stuck in that rut. You know, you’re going to lose your creativity. 

[00:09:04] Lisa DiGeso I find that too. And then for me, it’s like, I hate to say it because I’m not an advocate for shopping, well I am, but God, I love shopping so much. It looks like it really is like the props. It’s like when I feel bored, I know that practice is going to make me feel better, but yet buying the props is always the easiest solution, right? Like. 

[00:09:25] Megan Macdonald Yeah, a new prop can just put a twinkle in your eye, right? 

[00:09:28] Lisa DiGeso Seriously. And then not shoot it. I’m not shooting this this fall. I’m actually taking a year sabbatical from my photography business. Yeah. Oh, wow. But I. have so many Christmas newborn outfits and it is killing me. 

[00:09:41] Lisa DiGeso It’s killing me. I might actually just have to model called just to fill that creative need. 

[00:09:45] Lisa DiGeso Yeah. 

[00:09:46] Lisa DiGeso Response. 

[00:09:47] Lisa DiGeso Yes, actually, that leads me to our next question and is when you are feeling artistically stuck, what do you do to get out of it? 

[00:09:54] Megan Macdonald Buy new props. 

[00:09:55] Lisa DiGeso Yeah, yeah. Oh, right. 

[00:09:57] Megan Macdonald I’m not I can’t have much in that color. Ooh, I like that color. And there are trends too. Like even with fashion, you sort of say all of a sudden through winter we had that. Kelly Green. 

[00:10:09] Lisa DiGeso Yeah. 

[00:10:09] Megan Macdonald Coming out everywhere. So now my ooh, I really like that Kelly Green. I’m going to get me some Kelly Green so that that inspires me to love that. 

[00:10:18] Lisa DiGeso So what do you feel has been the biggest inspirations for your photography? 

[00:10:21] Megan Macdonald I think when I first started out, I really fell in love with Sandra Hill. 

[00:10:26] Lisa DiGeso Yes. Interesting. Yeah. 

[00:10:28] Megan Macdonald Her beautiful photos. 

[00:10:30] Lisa DiGeso She’s great. 

[00:10:31] Megan Macdonald It was sort of, you know, you had the props and all the pretty things, but the focus was still on the baby. And I loved that. Whereas where I lived at the time, everyone was doing the big floral wreaths and just all they would just plunk them down with a bit of a wrap and that would be it. So I really loved that artistic look to it, and I think that’s probably been like obviously through my journey, I’ve changed and I’ve got my own thing now, but I think through my journey that probably was my biggest inspiration for where I am. So just that focus on the baby, but still with pretty stuff. 

[00:11:03] Lisa DiGeso I remember like my first, like it was Anne Geddes and then that was my first love, like as a teenager. And then it was babies art for me. And I can tell that in my work because their work was like warm and little pink and light and airy and like, you can definitely see my future work and like that comes out still. And I just think it’s so neat, like what you’re naturally attracted to, where you learn and how you grow into that artist that becomes yourself. So it’s just it’s so interesting. 

[00:11:32] Megan Macdonald It is. But I tell you, I tried it all at the beginning. I know I had floral backgrounds and these are three I’ve got one for my very first session. The baby look like a mermaid. I didn’t know what I done. I have this purple wrap and all these floral stuff. It was just crazy. 

[00:11:48] Lisa DiGeso Did you go through that, like knitting your own hats phase, too, and making your own headbands? 

[00:11:52] Megan Macdonald I still do some knitting my mum knits bonnets for me and I do the wrap. 

[00:11:55] Lisa DiGeso That’s also mine. I don’t actually have any like knitting skills, so I had like a loom like wrap and I would get like the yarn from the dollar store. So I had zero idea about texture or about color. Yeah. And so I have pictures. I have to share them with you. I have pictures of my son with hats. I knit and they are literally the funniest thing I’ve ever seen. They are so bad. And I was like, I am awesome. 

[00:12:21] Megan Macdonald I can bring them out at his 21st. 

[00:12:27] Lisa DiGeso Now what would be your dream session and why? 

[00:12:30] Megan Macdonald Oh, God. Creative freedom. Baby girl. Lots of hair. Chubby cheeks. Kissy little lips. 8 pounds, 50 centimeters. Good sleeper. Dream session. Your parents chatty because I like to talk. I hate it when they. They don’t chat, I feel, you know. Yeah. Awkward. So nice, chatty happy parents and I usually do get nice chatty happy parents. 

[00:12:55] Lisa DiGeso Now, can you share how you’re getting back into the business groove, post-pandemic and maybe any changes that you decided to make because of the pandemic and having to slow down? 

[00:13:05] Megan Macdonald It has definitely changed. I definitely have more of a priority on home time home life, so I’m thinking about maybe dropping the maternity. Just so I’ve got my weekends free. My daughter’s 13, I don’t see heaps of it, but ya know you sort of think it haunts you having to wait weekends for weeks. I don’t know how people do it every weekend. She’s 13 now. So I think, you know, in a few years time she won’t be home or she’ll be in bed asleep or. 

[00:13:33] Megan Macdonald After day. 

[00:13:34] Megan Macdonald Because she’s been out partying all night. So I figure I probably need those the weekends now. While I can get them. Also, bookings have changed heaps because we had lockdowns and they would just snap lockdowns like that. You’d have no warning. It’d be like from 6:00 tonight, you can’t leave your house. So people, I think, are feeling less likely to put deposits down over a long period of time just because they’re so uncertain. And lots of people got burnt with businesses not getting deposits back, that sort of thing during the lockdowns. So I definitely find it’s a lot more last minute. It’s a lot more I’m having my baby in two weeks. 

[00:14:10] Lisa DiGeso Yeah. 

[00:14:11] Megan Macdonald I’ve got my baby. My baby’s a week old. Can you fit me in? So I think just being a bit more flexible with that sort of thing and not counting on having six months worth of bookings, sitting there ready for you has definitely been the biggest change. 

[00:14:26] Lisa DiGeso Yeah, it’s been it’s been it was a huge wake up call for me too, because I was running two companies at the same time. I kind of just hit the wall and I was like, Wow, I didn’t realize how burnt out. I was like, I was so exhausted. 

[00:14:40] Megan Macdonald And you know what I loved the most about it? You didn’t have to feel guilty about being at home. 

[00:14:44] Lisa DiGeso No. 

[00:14:44] Megan Macdonald Because you couldn’t work. So usually if you’re not working, you feel guilty because you’re not working, if you are guilty working, you feel guilty because you are working. So it was a beautiful because we I didn’t work for three months at the beginning and it was kind of good timing because I was going to teach. So I only had and we were going to go on like a month holiday. So for three of those months, I didn’t have any bookings for two months, so I was very lucky. There was only a couple right at the beginning that I couldn’t fit in, and then the others at the other end of it. So during the middle, I wasn’t actually going to be working. I managed to get the mean they were like four weeks old or whatever, but, you know, he can still deal with it. So I was lucky I didn’t have to disappoint heaps of people with their baby photos. So I was very thankful for that. 

[00:15:24] Lisa DiGeso Like, for me, it was just like I was like, wow, I’m like radically under charging and I need to make some big shifts here. Like, I’m working so much, I’m charging so little because I’m trying to make so many people happy. But I’m like, Am I happy? Yeah. Like, I was like, I don’t think I think I’m, like, low grade depressed, and I’m a pretty happy person. That’s hard to tell. 

[00:15:47] Lisa DiGeso Like what? 

[00:15:48] Megan Macdonald Yeah. Feeling deep down inside. 

[00:15:50] Lisa DiGeso It’s just like I’m tired. Now what makes your soul light up? 

[00:15:58] Megan Macdonald My baby girl, of course. Mm hmm. Yeah, my baby girl. And now that she’s 13, I think it’s affected my business in a way, because when I was when she was born, I was wedding photographer, and I thought I could do it all so I could take my baby photos. Cause not even realizing what it takes just to keep a baby fed. 

[00:16:14] Lisa DiGeso Yep. 

[00:16:15] Megan Macdonald I think she was. I think she had a backdrop up in her room for nine months before I even got a photo. So I don’t have those baby photos. And I think it’s more important now. She’s 13. Then at the time at the time, you think it’s very important to have those baby photos, but it’s not until they’re older that they’re not babies anymore, that that’s when you need them. So I think that’s definitely affected my shooting. 

[00:16:39] Lisa DiGeso You know, it’s so funny, as my son had his it was on his 12th birthday and I was looking to find videos and I was mad at my husband. I was like, why did you not take more video of Van when he was little? He’s like, because our phones didn’t have that capability. 

[00:16:55] Megan Macdonald Exactly. 

[00:16:58] Megan Macdonald Yeah. 

[00:16:58] Megan Macdonald And you can’t even scroll back Facebook far enough. 

[00:17:00] Lisa DiGeso No. Right. I mean, he’s changed so much. So, so much. And what advice would you give for someone who’s just starting out as a photographer? 

[00:17:10] Megan Macdonald Oh. I suppose it is realizing that not every session is going to be perfect, you know, and sometimes it’s not. Some babies just don’t like to be photographed. And be easy on yourself. Try hard, but be easy on yourself because not every baby is going to be great. Like you get a dream baby maybe twice a year. So just the norm is hard work. 

[00:17:36] Lisa DiGeso Exactly. 

[00:17:37] Lisa DiGeso You’re going to be hot and gonna be sometimes in tears. 

[00:17:40] Megan Macdonald Yeah. You’re going to be ready and you get to meet a bunch day. If you got one baby that doesn’t want to do it, there’ll be ten of them in a row. 

[00:17:47] Lisa DiGeso Yeah, it was so funny because I’m a Scorpio and I’m born in November and I swear every year it would be my November babies. I was like, You are just like. 

[00:17:56] Lisa DiGeso What you want? 

[00:17:58] Megan Macdonald Yeah, a lot. And that’s saying it nicely. 

[00:18:05] Lisa DiGeso So you ready for our lightning round. 

[00:18:07] Megan Macdonald I am. 

[00:18:08] Lisa DiGeso Okay coffee or tea? 

[00:18:09] Megan Macdonald Coffee. 

[00:18:11] Lisa DiGeso What’s the best gift you’ve ever received? 

[00:18:15] Megan Macdonald Oh. Can I count my baby girl? 

[00:18:17] Lisa DiGeso Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:18:18] Megan Macdonald She’s my best gift. 

[00:18:19] Lisa DiGeso Oh. Oceans or mountains. And why. 

[00:18:22] Megan Macdonald Mountains. Because I don’t love to swim. I don’t like water much. I don’t like not touching the ground. I like the ground. 

[00:18:32] Lisa DiGeso Yeah. 

[00:18:33] Lisa DiGeso Fair. What is something you’ve accomplished as an adult that your younger self would be proud of? 

[00:18:39] Megan Macdonald Being a good mom. That always comes first. 

[00:18:42] Lisa DiGeso What’s your favorite comfort food? 

[00:18:44] Megan Macdonald I suppose I’ll have to say chocolate and be predictable. 

[00:18:47] Lisa DiGeso I’m chips. I’m always chips. 

[00:18:49] Megan Macdonald Can I say both. 

[00:18:50] Lisa DiGeso Yeah. 

[00:18:53] Megan Macdonald One in each hand. 

[00:18:53] Lisa DiGeso I like. Do they have, like, ruffle chips dipped in chocolate like that? They should either be like top with, like, caramel drizzle. 

[00:19:01] Megan Macdonald Yes. 

[00:19:02] Lisa DiGeso Salt. 

[00:19:02] Megan Macdonald Yes. Just business. 

[00:19:05] Lisa DiGeso Right. 

[00:19:08] Lisa DiGeso Where do you feel most centered and happy? 

[00:19:11] Megan Macdonald Happy home. 

[00:19:12] Lisa DiGeso When do you feel most authentically yourself? 

[00:19:15] Megan Macdonald Probably in the car driving my daughter to school. 

[00:19:19] Lisa DiGeso I love it. Do you sing? Are you singing in the car too? 

[00:19:22] Megan Macdonald I do a lot of swearing at other cars. 

[00:19:25] Lisa DiGeso I am a potty mouth. 

[00:19:27] Lisa DiGeso I am a closet potty mouth in the vehicle. Yeah. And I realized that when my son was like, Mum, that beep, beep cut you off. Did you know that? 

[00:19:37] Lisa DiGeso Yes, I did. 

[00:19:40] Megan Macdonald That’s funny. My daughter’s like what does that mean? I mean, I’ve got to explain to it one of my weird sayings. What it means is just looks at me. That’s a new one mum. 

[00:19:53] Lisa DiGeso What would you say is the best piece of business advice you’ve ever been given? 

[00:19:58] Megan Macdonald I’m one of these terrible photographers that’s a photographer, first business person. Second, I would say stand out from the crowd. You can’t be like everyone else because then they’ve got people to choose from. Be yourself. Do what you love. And people would just naturally gravitate towards what you do. I think you need to stand out from the crowd and be different. 

[00:20:18] Lisa DiGeso So where can our listeners learn more from you? 

[00:20:22] Megan Macdonald I have a Facebook page, a group that I do for editing, and I have lots of videos up there that make my photo presets and actions. I’ve got my website, Instagram, Facebook, the usual, the usual. 

[00:20:36] Lisa DiGeso Awesome. And we’ll make sure that we put those in the show notes too, so our listeners can find you. And you are actually teaching for the online maternity and newborn retreat. Can you share a little bit about what you’re going to be teaching on? 

[00:20:47] Megan Macdonald I am going to be teaching my most requested pose because I do take requests even though I like to have creative freedom. And that’s a little black and white posing hand shots with Mum and dad. They have just about every session that’s requested and it’s a great go to. There’s a couple of ways you can do it so you can kind of keep baby wrapped or have baby dressed or have baby naked, depending on how they’re going. So it’s always usually a really usually an easy place to get and it’s a good. No one ever doesn’t buy it. So it’s a good one. 

[00:21:18] Lisa DiGeso I love it. And cause they’re so classic. Classic, right? They’re beautiful. So I love to end my interviews just with this last question. And it is what are you currently curious about or artistically curious about? 

[00:21:31] Megan Macdonald I’d love there’s a couple of poses I don’t really do yet in my work flow, so I really want to kind of nail them and work out how I can incorporate them, just to give myself a little bit more options into my life, my bean bag workflow and that sort of thing, really. So kind of the taco I don’t tend to do okay. Yeah. And I know there’s a way to sort of add it in, but it’s just getting that baby that sleepy enough to rotate. Yeah. Yeah, just to try. And so I can mix it up a little bit and I don’t tend to do a lot of sideline, so I want to try and work that in so I can instead of doing the typical because everyone always wants froggy face to got to work that one in but just trying to do that sort of thing tackle those few things that I’ve never really gotten into my flow. 

[00:22:16] Lisa DiGeso I love that. Well, Megan, thank you so much for joining me today. 

[00:22:20] Megan Macdonald Thank you for having me. 

[00:22:23] Lisa DiGeso Oh, my friends, I hope you love this conversation just as much as I did. I am sending you so much of my light and love today and every single day. We’ll see you next time.